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Published on August 12, 2004 By Ravenblack In Internet

It seems to me that in internet forums, people with thousands of posts seem to be able to get away with anything, yet a newbie who brings up even an innocent topic could get flamed to bits.

It never fails to urk me when I see a new person joined up only to be bullied by so called "highly respected long time regulars / members".

Sometimes, a newbie can't ask a simple question without being severely flamed for not using the search function or being told, "I'm sick of all you newbies posting about this topic."

Is that necessary?

If you are sick of topic, there are two things you can do:
1) Don't click on the topic.
2) Go out and get some sun.

Newbies are also vulnerable to being attacked for posting something against the views of the regular majority. It doesn't matter if his/her views are well thought out and reasonable. Arrogant forum veterans couldn't be bothered to read what is being said. They just quickly jump in and beat up the new guy.

What is much worse, is that sometimes forum moderators and administrators who are suppose to be fair and impartial, take the side of these arrogant bullies just because they are friends or "they've been around".

I remember clearly, a few months after 9/11, a certain member of a game forum posted that Afganistan and all the countries suspected of housing terrorists should be nuked. He was pretty damn serious about it. He didn't care if innocent women and children perish in such attacks. He felt that his country had every right to retaliate in this manner. He didn't even care if the radioactive cloud blows into the surrounding area killing more people and sterilising the next generation. He didn't think much about innocent neighbouring countries that could be affected.

'Unfortunate casualties of war', he posts as he casually shoves the issue aside.

The guy went on to flame me for disagreeing with his extremist views. I was being as civil as I am being now.

It is quite amazing what happened next. I was warned by the moderator not to "toe the line". Yeah, well I didn't know I wasn't supposed to disagree with a "respected member" of the forum. He has, like, thousands more posts than me (I had about 100 posts) or something.

To which I replied, if he wasn't prepared to take on opposing views, he should keep his views to himself instead of posting on a public forum. Needless to say, he managed to gather most people to his side, even the administrator.

I never posted in that forum again. I do not care for communities that hold one sided views of things.

Internet communities need new members to keep them fresh and lively. New members means new views and new ideas. What's the use of scaring away newbies with the above demostrated behavior? Forums have died because newbies could not be retained. Just before it dies it becomes a place where everyone makes "I agree" posts and nothing more because everyone thinks alike.

And then they begin to ask, "Why is this place so quiet nowadays?"

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on Aug 13, 2004
I fully understand my dear boy, if a moron ever abuses you here, then just get in touch with me. I shall give this peasant a good thrashing for you!
on Aug 13, 2004
pah..n00b? how could you use that term on yourself? Use "newb". I'm a blog newb, like you. (yes there is a difference, double zeros...think about it. *G* )


Hah, I actually use the spelling n00b to show my contempt for the whole idea. Just like 1337 speak, abusing new comers is silly and pointless.
on Aug 13, 2004

I have seen it from both sides, being abused as a newbie and having the hankering to abuse


I have as well.  Most folks were really pleasant when I first started blogging, and I try to pass on that favor to other n00bs.


I'd like to point out that sometimes it's not the regulars that are abusive.  Sometimes it's the n00bs that do the bullying.  I had one guy pop up on a thread of mine just this past week who was really very aggressive and plain obnoxious.  Called me 'mindless', amongst other things....and I'm not the only one he's behaved like that towards.  He's been blacklisted from a few blogs already, and he's only been here 4 days.


I try to play nicely with others around here...but if someone's going to be nasty or vicious for no reason...well, then that favor will be returned as well.

on Aug 13, 2004
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire: 1694–1778."
on Aug 13, 2004
I got abused BY a newbie!

As it turns out, I'm actually a vulgar cavewoman incapable of thought. I guess I'll be spending the rest of the day fingerpainting buffalo and curse words on my walls and banging some rocks together so I can get a fire going to cook supper on (if I can ever figure out which items in my house are actually food).
on Aug 13, 2004
Yes, I realise there's a difference between trolls and newbies. Anybody who comes on just to hurl abuse is a troll. And they should expect to get what they give.

And, Sir Peter, that's really nice of you. (I am a lady btw.)

I appreciate all the responses, it's given me some ideas for future articles.
on Aug 13, 2004

As it turns out, I'm actually a vulgar cavewoman incapable of thought. I guess I'll be spending the rest of the day fingerpainting buffalo and curse words on my walls and banging some rocks together so I can get a fire going to cook supper on (if I can ever figure out which items in my house are actually food).


That's the same one I was complaining about.  Compared to his vastly superior intellect, we're all neanderthals.

on Aug 13, 2004
It looks like he's making a lot of friends with his kind words and welcome reception of comments on his blog. And his posts are so rational and well-thought out, I might add.

Oh well, at least we neanderthals get a break from having to be right all the time, but this poor guy doesn't.
on Aug 13, 2004
Texas, who are you talking about?

on Aug 13, 2004

Texas, who are you talking about?


Michael Proteus. You should go check him out...

on Aug 13, 2004
ok.
on Aug 14, 2004
There's an irony here that I haven't the guts to point out..... *sigh*
on Aug 14, 2004
There's an irony here that I haven't the guts to point out..... *sigh*


(smile) yes, yes there is. In their defense, however, the guy has been rather caustic from time to time (I'm still waiting to see how he replies to a comment on his thread where he challenged me and I answered the challenge).
on Aug 14, 2004
Gideon,

I hear you. I should've written "there are ironies here" rather than just one, because the one you pointed out isn't the one I was thinking of. Related, however.

--she says ambiguously.
on Aug 14, 2004


Reply #29 By: Gideon MacLeish - 8/14/2004 9:48:54 PM
There's an irony here that I haven't the guts to point out..... *sigh*


(smile) yes, yes there is. In their defense, however, the guy has been rather caustic from time to time


I see the irony.  I also see the person in question being aggressive and, as Gideon said, caustic from the git go.  there was no "hi, I'm Mike, I'm new to JU", it was "you all are dumb as a box of rocks and I don't know why I even bother writing...you obviously aren't intelligent enough to understand what I say", right from the beginning.  He started out attacking people on their threads before he had even written an article of his own, so I say that we are completely justified in our opinion of him.


 

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